The state of this forum....

[GaragePar]

Am I the only person that is seeing a trend here? Im not sure how many of you can still view the 'other' board, but this forum is well on its way to that level.

I will make this short and sweet. I am a part of a very wide variety of online communities, some are ridiculously tech related while others are just silly. Regardless, the common denominator among them all is very good moderation. Good moderation is moderation that users do not even realize. Good moderation is not a slap in the face, I told you so, holier than thou type of attitude.

The 'other' forum used this type of moderation. Instead of something being moved or closed, the moderators chose to accompany their act with a one liner or make an entirely new post to let everyone know that they stepped in to save the day. An example, a thread has broken a rule and needs closing, instead of it simply being closed a mod will make a post saying "Closed! or grow up! or <insert stupid ass remark here>"

My question is why? Am I suppose to look up to you? I doubt it. Just do your goddamn job and get off of it.

The 'other' forums made me borderline sick with this type of environment. It is the #1 reason I do not associate myself there anymore. If this continues I will not associate myself here either.

-Par

[IDontKnow]

Originally posted by GaragePar
Am I the only person that is seeing a trend here? Im not sure how many of you can still view the 'other' board, but this forum is well on its way to that level.

I will make this short and sweet. I am a part of a very wide variety of online communities, some are ridiculously tech related while others are just silly. Regardless, the common denominator among them all is very good moderation. Good moderation is moderation that users do not even realize. Good moderation is not a slap in the face, I told you so, holier than thou type of attitude.

The 'other' forum used this type of moderation. Instead of something being moved or closed, the moderators chose to accompany their act with a one liner or make an entirely new post to let everyone know that they stepped in to save the day. An example, a thread has broken a rule and needs closing, instead of it simply being closed a mod will make a post saying "Closed! or grow up! or <insert stupid ass remark here>"

My question is why? Am I suppose to look up to you? I doubt it. Just do your goddamn job and get off of it.

The 'other' forums made me borderline sick with this type of environment. It is the #1 reason I do not associate myself there anymore. If this continues I will not associate myself here either.

-Par

you just said a mouth full

/me waits on mods/ owners reply

[Nacho]

The reason that threads are closed with a reason is so that people know a rule has been broken. If we DON'T put why it was closed we're flooded with "why was that closed" questions and/or "who closed my post" and/or the same rule is broken again. The explaining why the thread was closed and who closed it is an attempt to avoid that problem. It also attempts to put in the open everything done. The 'other boards' have mysterious dissappearing threads and no one really knows why. this style of moderation is to better let everyone know why thigns happened like they did.

IMO, we'd get crap if it was closed/moves w/out a reason and we're getting flack for it as the way it is. I really don't know how you'd all like us to do it.

[darkside]

i'm not replying to this, b/c i'm not as civil as some of the other mods... i'll let the "good founder" speak his mind, i'll sit back and watch

[GaragePar]

That makes perfectly good sense Brian, I understand completely where youre coming from. It is unfortunate you get flooded with those emails, sucks.

However, like another mod I just spoke with said, if a mod must make a dedicated post it would be nice for them to give the reason instead of a punch line.

In all honesty I think I do my fair share of providing accurate, reliable, and most importantly experience driven info when relevant. I find it frustrating that I cannot make a silly post when I am in a goofy mood. There are countless completely pointless threads on these forums. You can tell which ones get closed and who is buds with the moderators.

-Par

[GaragePar]

what is there to be uncivil about? the fact that I make a good point?

-Par

[darkside]

if this is about the jungle snake post.... please take that up w/ matt, really no need to drag it out all over the board.

billy you're a good guy, yes you can make a silly ass post if you want. just post it in area 51. if matt pissed you off say something to matt.

just my "civilized" $.02

[darkside]

Originally posted by GaragePar
what is there to be uncivil about? the fact that I make a good point?

-Par
i'm just an uncivilized kinda guy ya know? ;)

[Nacho]

I'll make a point to the mods to be more professional in their closing statement. Sorry about any problem.

As for what posts get closed, it's the moderators discresion. we try to make it as fair as possible, but as human nature goes, it's kinda hard, if not impossible. I looked at the posts you've had closed recently, and those are 2 more tightly controled sections because of section rules (body art) and possible :drama: problems (I seent It).

[Nacho]

Originally posted by GaragePar
what is there to be uncivil about? the fact that I make a good point?

-Par

he don't take well to problems. You ever seen the Hulk? It's kinda like that, but more tattoos and less green. We mostly keep him in his cage. :o

[darkside]

Originally posted by Nacho™
he don't take well to problems. You ever seen the Hulk? It's kinda like that, but more tattoos and less green. We mostly keep him in his cage. :o
that's it, i'm tattooing my whole body green and using creatine :x, i hear that shit makes you buff B

[Nacho]

Originally posted by darkside
that's it, i'm tattooing my whole body green and using creatine :x, i hear that shit makes you buff B

:ripp'd:

[KyCobra97]

Ok bill, here's the skinny for ya.

It's kinda like a catch 22. However we handle it, someone is not going to like it. I'm sure you know just as well as everyone else that you cant satisfy everyone.

If we close it and move it and say nothing, people will bitch wondering what happened, or think it's a "glitch" and just repost it, thus defeating the purpose.

If we close it and leave a reply, then someone just might pick at it or still question it.

Tho I will say I don't think your post needed to be closed and deleted. I think the best way to handle that would to have been to move it to Area 51, which I will do for you.

Sorry about the trouble.

Future reference to any mods closing posts: Please state your reasoning in a professional matter. It's not like we have a defined line, it's got a big grey area. While we encourage you to act on your judgement, sometimes it's not a bad idea to question your own judgement.

[matt_c]

Bill, I agree I could've said something better. But I really didn't think it made myself look "holier-than-thou" or show that i'm trying to save the day. I'm an smart-ass/asshole (whichever you prefer) to a lot of people. You're not the only one.

[GaragePar]

the reasoning behind my post is not completely the snake post. But it did put me over the edge. Matt's comments are old and Ive given up trying to please him. Not sure why I did to piss you off Matt, sorry. It would be one thing if I even knew you, but I dont.

But its not an issue between Matt and I. Its a handful of moderators. And when you think about it, its ironic that these are the same guys that use to watch over the 'other' forum. Wonder where they get their ways eh.

Bottom line, I know the entire forum shouldnt bow down to my little request, I sincerely do not expect you all to. But I have to admit, I will enjoy my time here better if it doesnt remind me of the atmosphere of somewhere else :)

-Par

[GaragePar]

Originally posted by darkside
i'm just an uncivilized kinda guy ya know? ;)

so Ive heard, are you sure you weren't born and raised in Oldham co? You remind me a lot of an o.c. type a guy. :)

-Par

[BigSmith23]

shit, i dont know about you but i thought the other board was top fuckin notch!

[The Dev]

Originally posted by GaragePar
so Ive heard, are you sure you weren't born and raised in Oldham co? You remind me a lot of an o.c. type a guy. :)

-Par '

WTF was that supposed to mean? :squint: I live in OC, but I wasn't born here THANK GOD!!! :D

[BigSmith23]

Originally posted by RoadRageDev
I live in OC, but I wasn't born here THANK GOD!!! :D

i was

[Gnaw]

Lighten up kids... It's Friday night... drink up and be merry.

[Nacho]

Originally posted by GaragePar
But its not an issue between Matt and I. Its a handful of moderators. And when you think about it, its ironic that these are the same guys that use to watch over the 'other' forum. Wonder where they get their ways eh.


The only people w/ mod/admin privledges on this site that had them on the old site are Wang, Boileralum and Nester. And I don't see problems with their post closings (as in anything but the closeng and the reasoning). If i missed any, you can bring them to my attention, as i may have just missed them. As for your posts, i could only find 2 recent ones that were closed, both by Matt.

As for 'where they got their ways", it has nothing to do with anything. In fact, the members here got kicked out for 'their ways' conflicting with the site's administration's choice of how to control the board. And you can be the judge of where the 'other' forum has gone since then. We've given the reason that the things here are run as they are, and barring any good reasoning as to why to change it and a good alternative, the methods shall stay as they are.

[matt_c]

Originally posted by GaragePar
the reasoning behind my post is not completely the snake post. But it did put me over the edge. Matt's comments are old and Ive given up trying to please him. Not sure why I did to piss you off Matt, sorry. It would be one thing if I even knew you, but I dont. Why did you try to please me to begin with? Sorry you think my comments are old, i'll just not talk to you anymore :shrug:

[nester]

Originally posted by Nacho™
The only people w/ mod/admin privledges on this site that had them on the old site are Wang, Boileralum and Nester.

Actually, I was never a mod or admin on LS. I was a chat room op though. Just for the sake of clarity.

[darkside]

Originally posted by GaragePar
so Ive heard, are you sure you weren't born and raised in Oldham co? You remind me a lot of an o.c. type a guy. :)

-Par
actually i'm just a hostile person always have been always will be (must be all that rock N roll music). BTW i am from the west end originally, and now i reside on the other side of the river, maybe that's what's wrong w/ me

[RPMiller]

God DAMN Nacho, you really need to shut the fuck up.....REALLY!!
I am so sick and tired of hearing your .02. It makes me fuckin sick

[nester]

Originally posted by RustyGSXR600
God DAMN Nacho, you really need to shut the fuck up.....REALLY!!
I am so sick and tired of hearing your .02. It makes me fuckin sick


He is the president of the board. So, I think you're going to have to hone those coping skills.

[darkside]

hey rusty, why don't you leave him alone. he's doing his fucking job dude. if you don't like it put him on your ignore list, or PM him. leave that shit off the board. i'm tired of all the drama. leave it at the door

[KyCobra97]

Originally posted by RustyGSXR600
God DAMN Nacho, you really need to shut the fuck up.....REALLY!!
I am so sick and tired of hearing your .02. It makes me fuckin sick

You have an option to click the post and read it or not. If you don't want to read his posts, there is an option to put him on your ignore list. Problem solved.

[Turbo2Liter]

Originally posted by Kyle O.
If you don't want to read his posts, there is an option to put him on your ignore list.

Yes, I discovered this great function about 6 weeks ago, haven't had any trouble with my person since.

[JDuncan]

I just wish that this board would just do its own thing and forget about the "other" board. As it sits, I continue to read more about LS over here everyday. Now this board is looking more like LS and is wanting to do the things LS does (USCC) and it makes me wonder what the point was. I thought this board was made originally to be a more social board than a tech board, but that focus has changed. The same people who prefer a more social board are starting to act out the same way here as they did at LS, so I have to wonder how long before people start getting banned. Before long, they have their own site and the cycle repeats itself.

IF 502 is ever going to grow into something truly worthwhile, it will have to get the LS chip off of its shoulders...

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

[nester]

Originally posted by JDuncan
I just wish that this board would just do its own thing and forget about the "other" board.As it sits, I continue to read more about LS over here everyday.

The board is doing it's own thing. Things are going to seem like we're copying LS's ideas, but the fact of the matter is that a lot of the ideas that were thrown around on LS were the idea's that people who left came up with.

Now this board is looking more like LS and is wanting to do the things LS does (USCC) and it makes me wonder what the point was. I thought this board was made originally to be a more social board than a tech board, but that focus has changed.

Well considering that the board was created by people who are not welcome on LS, the board has to be both for them. We want to have tech.. We're also not *against* social events, we just don't want to be a party board. We want people to have fun, though...

The same people who prefer a more social board are starting to act out the same way here as they did at LS, so I have to wonder how long before people start getting banned. Before long, they have their own site and the cycle repeats itself.

It happens. The difference is that we're not banning people for nothing at all.


IF 502 is ever going to grow into something truly worthwhile, it will have to get the LS chip off of its shoulders...

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

It's hard to not have a chip on your shoulder when you got fucked every step of the way. Give, Give, Give, BANNED!!!!11

I try to not talk about, to keep it under the rug, but I'm still bitter.

[Turbo6inKY]

Originally posted by JDuncan

IF 502 is ever going to grow into something truly worthwhile, it will have to get the LS chip off of its shoulders...


Exactly

[Turbo2Liter]

Originally posted by JDuncan
I just wish that this board would just do its own thing and forget about the "other" board. As it sits, I continue to read more about LS over here everyday. Now this board is looking more like LS and is wanting to do the things LS does (USCC) and it makes me wonder what the point was. I thought this board was made originally to be a more social board than a tech board, but that focus has changed. The same people who prefer a more social board are starting to act out the same way here as they did at LS, so I have to wonder how long before people start getting banned. Before long, they have their own site and the cycle repeats itself.

IF 502 is ever going to grow into something truly worthwhile, it will have to get the LS chip off of its shoulders...

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

my thoughts exactly.

[JDuncan]

Originally posted by nester
The board is doing it's own thing. Things are going to seem like we're copying LS's ideas, but the fact of the matter is that a lot of the ideas that were thrown around on LS were the idea's that people who left came up with.



Well considering that the board was created by people who are not welcome on LS, the board has to be both for them. We want to have tech.. We're also not *against* social events, we just don't want to be a party board. We want people to have fun, though...



It happens. The difference is that we're not banning people for nothing at all.




It's hard to not have a chip on your shoulder when you got fucked every step of the way. Give, Give, Give, BANNED!!!!11

I try to not talk about, to keep it under the rug, but I'm still bitter.

I dunno. It seems to me that as this board continues to develop on its currently chosen path, things continue to happen over here more and more as they did at LS. It has definitely been more than just a slight focus change from social to tech. You make a point when you say several of you were over at LS and are promoting your ideas here now. I am beginning to wonder just how much you are planning to bring to 502 from LS, though. While I like Nacho quite a bit, I do realize that he wasn't the most liked mod at LS. I still recall what happened over here when he was made a mod, and I now see that he is the President of the 502 organization. While I don't think there is a problem with that, I am sure other people here do. And then they will bitch and moan about it, backing Kyle into a corner until he finally gets tired of the crap and tells everyone its his board and if ya don't like it, leave. I don't believe Kyle is honestly that way. I know that he made this board for the members, not himself, but as this board continues to duplicate LS, it will inherently duplicate LS's problems. How long before Kyle is treated exactly as Jenn was at LS. It is already happening.

The people that are running the show over here now are the same people who were running the show at LS when this board was created minus George and Jenn. Is it really just a coincidence that similar problems and powerplays are starting to pop up. The reason they left LS is because they wanted to buy it, but George wouldn't sell it. Now they have this board to run.

I am a member on more internet forums than I can actually remember at this point. I am an administrator on two, and a moderator on four, and none of them frustrate me as much as our two boards. We are all in close proximity to each other, and everyone that I have met and talked to have always seemed genuine and honest IRL. I just don't know what makes people take on the different personas on the internet.


As for people being banned for nothing at all, that has never happened at LS, or here for that matter. There is always a reason. It may not be the best reason, but it is there.

My only true question is whether or not this is the true direction that Kyle wanted to take with the board. I support you guys in whatever your decisions are, but I still can't believe how much this place looks more and more like LS each day...

James

[JDuncan]

Originally posted by Integra99
my thoughts exactly.

Please don't agree with me. With the way you carry yourself on message boards, I would just as soon not have you backing my post. Sorry if I sound like an ass, but really, you seem to like to cause trouble here often, and as that is not my intention, I don't want you turning my post into support for your arguements.

[TypeR Freak]

Originally posted by JDuncan


Damn dude... You brought a tear to my eye.

Excellent post.

[nester]

Originally posted by JDuncan
I dunno. It seems to me that as this board continues to develop on its currently chosen path, things continue to happen over here more and more as they did at LS. It has definitely been more than just a slight focus change from social to tech.

Yes, this is true. There has been a focus change.. actually, not really a focus change for us, but a focus change for the members... I think the idea was always to be mostly tech.. but the members had other ideas. We've been trying to steer it back toward automotive.

You make a point when you say several of you were over at LS and are promoting your ideas here now. I am beginning to wonder just how much you are planning to bring to 502 from LS, though. While I like Nacho quite a bit, I do realize that he wasn't the most liked mod at LS. I still recall what happened over here when he was made a mod, and I now see that he is the President of the 502 organization. While I don't think there is a problem with that, I am sure other people here do. And then they will bitch and moan about it, backing Kyle into a corner until he finally gets tired of the crap and tells everyone its his board and if ya don't like it, leave. I don't believe Kyle is honestly that way. I know that he made this board for the members, not himself, but as this board continues to duplicate LS, it will inherently duplicate LS's problems. How long before Kyle is treated exactly as Jenn was at LS. It is already happening.

I'm sure people don't like the idea of Nacho having any say in things here, but he comes up with good ideas, and follows through. He's got initative, and that's what we need. To balance things out, he doesn't have *any* moderator powers, so the members won't feel any of his "wrath" directly. LOL.

The people that are running the show over here now are the same people who were running the show at LS when this board was created minus George and Jenn. Is it really just a coincidence that similar problems and powerplays are starting to pop up. The reason they left LS is because they wanted to buy it, but George wouldn't sell it. Now they have this board to run.

I'd have to disagree with the reasons they left. It's more laundry than I care to air in this venue, but I think you and I both know that that is not the real reason.

On a related note... Lots of people offered to buy LS, but the numbers quoted were quite "large."

I am a member on more internet forums than I can actually remember at this point. I am an administrator on two, and a moderator on four, and none of them frustrate me as much as our two boards. We are all in close proximity to each other, and everyone that I have met and talked to have always seemed genuine and honest IRL. I just don't know what makes people take on the different personas on the internet.

I used to tell Jenn that "it's just the internet" whenever she would mention problems with a user. She came back with something along the lines of "no, it's more than that".. In retrospect, she's very correct on this issue. On any of the national boards that I'm a member of, these issues don't come up. None of us know each other on personal level like we do here.

Of course, with this comes a lot of miscommunications, mistruths, and rumors. I mean, some of the stuff that I was told only 6 months ago.. couldn't be further than the truth.

As for people being banned for nothing at all, that has never happened at LS, or here for that matter. There is always a reason. It may not be the best reason, but it is there.

Well, this is also true. There's always a reason... It's just that most of us that were banned from LS... we don't know why. We just came there one day to get the infamous "You do not have permission to view this page" message. Obviously, in my case, I got a rather long post about how you guys (LS) thought that we needed to part ways, and our input was no longer needed.. or something like that, I don't recall now, and the thread is long since been delivered to the bit bucket.

My only true question is whether or not this is the true direction that Kyle wanted to take with the board. I support you guys in whatever your decisions are, but I still can't believe how much this place looks more and more like LS each day...

James

Meant to take the board to a tech focus? Yes, I think that was always the idea. Cars have been the main bond between all of the members here. We are here because we love cars, trucks, bikes, go karts (Well, I do anyway), and shipping pallets with V8's and wheels. Whatever goes fast....

We don't ever intend to be full tech, see also: area 51... But tech is a driving force. I'd rather come here and ask a question and get an answer that i trust from a guy i know than go to a national board and get something questionable from some random person.

It's impossible for a board like LS and 502 to not resemble each other. We use the same forum software, and there's no other content to speak of.. Unfortunately, we're not welcome on LS, so we've brought our toys to our own sandbox. I'm just trying to keep from getting sand thrown in my eyes.

Ok, time to commence with less typing, more beer.

[JESUS_Rodriguez]

I would just like to add that I seem to have more in common with the members on here (on a car enthusiast level). Drag Racing and DSM tech are not strong points of LS (in my opinion) So I choose to hang around people that have the same interest which is why I like this board. I am very happy with the direction this board has gone. At first I felt it was a nice breath of fresh air when 502 first started but that the maturity level was in the gutter. I got tired of constant threads about whos going to the next keggar and get shit faced. Most of the people in these threads were several years underage. I wasnt about to show up then have the cops come over and be one of the few people that happens to be over 21. But the tech and discussions about racing were very good so I took the bad with the good. With the direction this place is going I get to have my cake and eat it too. Sadly it seems that I cant have my cake and eat it too when It comes to viewing both threads. For my simple association with this board I have had my access SEVERLY limited on LS. Its a shame. I played by their rules and still I get an "You either with us or against us" reply from over there. Sad really. I dont have any "loyalty" to anything but the car scene.


edit: Id like to make the comparision of the boards to local news stations. The public would be the only ones to loose if there were only one. Choice and alternatives are a good thing. Monopoloy = BAD.

[mark o]

I don't think 502 resembles LS at all anymore. I use to be loyal to LS, but almost everyone I was friends with from LS came to 502. I read less and less of LS and more and more of 502 until I became inactive on LS. Then I receive an e-mail, telling me that I am going to be "pruned" b/c I haven't made a post in 27 days. Fine, didn't bother me. I try to reregister, can't use my old name so I make a new one, and make no effort to try to conceal my identity. Less than 24 hours after I register, and before I ever make a single post, I'm banned. Why? NO REASON. In my opinion, biased as it may be, 502 is leaps and bounds ahead of where LS was this early in it's life. 502 is headed in a great direction, and I have a feeling the members will realize that the people in charge, regardless of who they may be, are working FOR the board and the members, to make the scene grow and that they are NOT working for their own personal benefits. I've just now started to get involved with the organization of this board, and I can tell you all that it's headed in the right direction. Everyone is doing things, taking time out of their daily schedule, to help the members. They're printing up stickers, they're making t-shirts, they're contacting local shops to spread the word. This is not some LS-wanna-be car board. 502 is starting to reshape the local scene.

[The Dev]

502 now is what LS was when I first joined a year and a half ago. We'll see how it ends up.

[KyCobra97]

Everyone has made very good points, and I will say that I back Nester, Delta, and beretta 100%.

James, you've always been level headed with me, always been a great and fair mediator between both boards. I thank you.

In all honesty, this board was really started as the island of misfits so to speak. Basically, there was once this forum called wewt. Maybe 40 or so registered members from Louisville, many were banned from LS, many just came to talk to their friends who were banned. The forum started as an experiment and snow-balled into a decent start at a new forum. Wewt closed for reasons which I wont disclose. Our alternative was gone. Myself and Darkside put our heads together and made 502. The first bit was rough, as I'll admit we all had the fresh wounds from LS, creating quite a bit of negative LS talk. I, myself, was even guilty. I wont deny that. It quickly jumped to almost 100 registered users, and as we went along, so did the maturity level. More rules were intsituted, things progressed upwards.

502 has overcome MANY MANY hurdles, and has done so with the help of our faithful members whom I can't even begin to thank enough. I really truly do this for them and for the scene, It's my way of giving back all that it has given me. That tells me that I wasn't the only one with a problem. That only made me push harder towards geting this board up to par. Sure we have people with negative things to say, but it's impossible to please everyone. We have more members who are happy with the board than we have who are unhappy.

THe only remaining members of the original 502 moderating team are Myself, Darkside, and mr20turbo. There's a reason for this, because the other teams just didnt work out. I can GAURANTEE that the initiative we have from our current staff can not be matched by any other moderating team. The effort our staff puts forth cant even be put into words. Sure many of them were from LS, but so were many of our members so I don't see what difference it makes.

I'm proud of the direction this forum is going, and I will continue to be.

[matt_c]

Originally posted by Kyle O.
THe only remaining members of the original 502 moderating team are Myself, Darkside, and mr20turbo. :ahem:

[JDuncan]

I can appreciate that several of you feel wronged by LS. There is nothing I can do about that. And I never said there had to be one board or the other. Life just doesn't work that way. But I specifically remember Kyle's post at this boards inception and the goals he had then and those seem to have dropped to the wayside. The only thing that has changed between then and now is the moderating crew. Interestingly enough, they are mainly former LS moderators. And try to deny it all you want, the similarities between this board and LS is much more than skin deep. A quick check of the list of forums now on both boards shows striking similarities. The difference being that one has been the same for the better part of two years, while one just changed overnight. It is made to sound like no one here is allowed to post or look over there and that is the reason why it was copied. To have your own sandbox. Yet I continue to see the same people on both boards regularly. While some are banned, the majority get to have both. I guess the only reason I question this is the position offered to me here. I honestly want to know what the goal of this forum is now. If it is to try to replace LS, which would be how it appears to me, then I will have to decline. It would be a conflict of interests for me to serve in similar capacities on two competing boards in the same local market.

The comparison to TV stations is interesting. But tell me one city outside of a true metro area that has two NBC affiliates. If it looks like LS, and it is moderated by the same people who moderated at LS, then how far down the road before it is exactly like LS?

Per Devon:
502 now is what LS was when I first joined a year and a half ago. We'll see how it ends up.

Kind of what my question was in the first place.

[h23civic]

Originally posted by RoadRageDev
502 now is what LS was when I first joined a year and a half ago. We'll see how it ends up. exactly devon, however i feel that this board is going to stay close to the way it is now, just adding more tech. things here and there, which is good. everyone here seems to get along great, there might be a few little arguments here and there, but it just feels more friendly to me knowing that i can post something and not be called out by 5 different people saying that i'm wrong for so and so reasons, just for simply voicing my opinions.

[ashlee]

The difference between the forums is that 502 has a friendly atmosphere where people are welcomed and encouraged to post, ask questions, and come hang out. In MY experience, LS is the opposite. Maybe other people have had better experiences than I did. :shrug:

[JDuncan]

Originally posted by ashlee622
The difference between the forums is that 502 has a friendly atmosphere where people are welcomed and encouraged to post, ask questions, and come hang out. In MY experience, LS is the opposite. Maybe other people have had better experiences than I did. :shrug:

I think both boards fit that bill. I don't think there has to be one or the other...

[TypeR Freak]

Originally posted by 94bpcivic
it just feels more friendly to me knowing that i can post something and not be called out by 5 different people saying that i'm wrong for so and so reasons, just for simply voicing my opinions.

I disagree

Originally posted by ashlee622
The difference between the forums is that 502 has a friendly atmosphere where people are welcomed and encouraged to post, ask questions, and come hang out. In MY experience, LS is the opposite. Maybe other people have had better experiences than I did. :shrug:

I disagree


Chad - if people are going to disagree with you they will call you out on any board, it's happened to me a million times on here, I make a decent point and piss a lot of people off and get shit for it, "just for voicing my opinion." Not just me but others as well. It is this way everywhere and always will be. While I think people SHOULD be courteous and respectful, I know that this will not always happen. I don't think rules should be made to cushion other people's emotions, or force people to be courteous or respectful. If someone WANTS to be a total asshole, that's their deal and they shouldn't be edited or banned for that.

Ashlee - LS promotes a friendly atmosphere as well. And now that non-automotive social events are forbidden on this board, that takes our "friendly atmosphere" and encouragement for people to hang out down just a little more.

I hang out with people from all walks of life, not just automotive junkies. While it's true that we have Area51, social functions are limited to car shows and autocross, and people interested in things such as sports and movies are NOT encouraged to make posts or ask questions or hang out. If they know nothing about cars, or aren't obsessed with them, they can't contribute to the scene and don't belong on the board.

Originally (IMO) this board was started so that people in the area could communicate in a friendly way, to connect with each other and discuss a variety of topics, and form social ties. But, as I stated, it's geared towards automotive junkies now.

I deduce that since automotive junkies != everyone, then != everyone = encouraged.

[boileralum]

James, I love you to death, but this whole post has done nothing but bring LS up again, which you chastised this board for doing early on in the thread. I'm going to respond to a couple of things that were said because they really got under my skin -

1 - The reason 80% of the old moderators at LS left all at once was because we got fed up with the way things kept happening over there. Peoples accounts were getting deleted, and being attributed to a "glitch". I am a member of probably 5 or 6 Vbulletin based message boards, and I knew for a *fact* that the "glitch" thing was total BS. Finally it looked like progress was being made at the beginnning of the year, not un-coincidentally after Jenn announced she was quitting the board, and deleted her account. The rest of us all had a meeting one Saturday and came up with a lot of ideas of how we wanted the board to be run. We started working on those changes for about 2 days before guess who decided to create herself a new admin account and started cutting down the changes we were making, that all had agreeed upon at the meeting she didn't even bother to attend (everyone note, however, that George *was* there, and was agreeing with the changes suggested). I personally got so fed up that I made a long post in the Mod's corner that chastised Jenn for her behavior and the way she treated the members. Things got ugly from there, and I quit the board (was finally officially banned much later). At no point that I am aware of was there any plan for any of the moderators to buy the LS, nor any offer made. After the majority of us had quit we did discuss buying/ setting up a *new* public board, but nothing ever came of it.

2- The USCC. Refresh my memory, but first of all, didn't that idea come from an article in Sport Compact Car magazine? How can you possibly point a finger at another group for simulating another idea when the "original" idea was in fact a simulation of something else? And secondly, think back to last year and to who actually did the majority of the work to get the LSUCC going - it was Brian. He worked his tail off to get it all together. And the ideas that he and Andrew have for the USCC that they are working on for 502 members are very good and sound, even if I did personally have an issue with a limitation on tires that they had put as a rule.

3- Chastising the layout of the board is recockulous. Guess what, it's VB, all the fawking boards look the same! Now go out and look at any random other VB boards and tell me they don't all have the same layout. You want to know why? Because they *work*. Just like a new TV station starts all it's programs on the hour or half hour. It just works well. And besides, what kind of competition truly exists between the two boards? It's not as if either actually makes any money for the owners. So the only compettition is for each board's owners to have a place that they and the major majority of their users like to come visit.

It seems to me if there is any LS "chip" on anyone's shoulder, it is on the ones who come over to another board and accuse it of trying to copy what so many of us originally tried to make work in the first place. There is absolutely no reason why there can't be 2 local car message boards that are for residents in and around the nation's 16th largest city. Obviously there is a big enough user base to support it, as this site has nearly 700 members as of the time I am writing this post. All that is needed is for people who are members of only one board to be civil with one another, and not go to the other board and start stirring stuff up.

Rich

[JDuncan]

Rich did you actually read my posts, or did you just use this as an excuse for another LS bashing post. I have continued to state that there can be two boards. I do think that it doesn't make sense for there to be two boards with the exact same focus. The duplication of LS has nothing to do with VB. It has to do with discussion group headers and layout, the choice of moderators, and the shift of focus from social to tech. If you can't see it, you are blind. Otherwise, I believe the intent here is for 502 to try to replace LS. As I have said before, I am sorry so many people feel so wronged by LS, but this thread is NOT about LS. LS has its own problems same as any board.

I was offered a position on this board as a moderator. I have a simple question that has not been answered. Is the goal of this board to replace LS or to try and fill the exact same niche as LS. It is a simple question. If the answer is yes, that the goal, then I cannot and will not accept the position due to a conflict of interests. If the answer is no, then tell me what the goals of the site are. I have asked and all I get is LS bashing for replies.

Anyone?

[JESUS_Rodriguez]

Originally posted by JDuncan

The comparison to TV stations is interesting. But tell me one city outside of a true metro area that has two NBC affiliates. If it looks like LS, and it is moderated by the same people who moderated at LS, then how far down the road before it is exactly like LS?




I look at it more like both of them are reporting on the same news stories and both still function the same way, yet have their own strengths and weaknesses.

[TypeR Freak]

Originally posted by JDuncan
I was offered a position on this board as a moderator. I have a simple question that has not been answered. Is the goal of this board to replace LS or to try and fill the exact same niche as LS. It is a simple question. If the answer is yes, that the goal, then I cannot and will not accept the position due to a conflict of interests. If the answer is no, then tell me what the goals of the site are. I have asked and all I get is LS bashing for replies.

Anyone?

I asked this same question almost a week ago:

http://www.502streetscene.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2150

Ended up getting closed though

[JESUS_Rodriguez]

Originally posted by TypeR Freak
I asked this same question almost a week ago:

http://www.502streetscene.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2150

Ended up getting closed though

Sanders your questions were answered within a few posts by Kyle.

[TypeR Freak]

Originally posted by DELTA_Rotary
Sanders your questions were answered within a few posts by Kyle.

I never said they weren't :confused:

[JESUS_Rodriguez]

Originally posted by TypeR Freak
I never said they weren't :confused:


By adding the "It Ended up close though" part makes it seem like you didnt get any answers and the thread was closed for asking that question.

[Gnaw]

The goals for the board are simple. To provide an atmospher that will be friendly to new members. To create a wealth of knowledge about autos and the local community. And to get people who strive for knowledge more acquainted with their cars and the general tasks they must perform during every day driving and care as well as performance enhancements. All of this rolled up into one with some FUN sprinkled on top.

Notice Kyle mentioned "the local community". All areas of the local scene fall under this. Local concerts, festivals, and events. We are essentially creating a community of people from the same general areas, who share common interests. Everyone here is not into cars, some are here just to meet people. While auto events are central to many of our lives, there are plenty of other things to do, and we include all of them in what we want to see on the site.

[boileralum]

James, I most certainly read your posts, and read them more than once as I went back and edited, and re-edited what I wrote.

I make it a point not to bash LS in any of my posts seen on this board. My comments above were merely explaining my situation in what happened there, and the only thing that remotely resembles a bashing of LS would be my comments about the USCC, which is really just an observation of fact (yes, LS' USCC was inspired by and copied some features from the SCC USCC).

For some of us, yes, 502 is a replacement for LS, as it does fulfill a lot of the same functionality that LS provided. However, the purpose of the board is to provide a forum for automotive enthusiats in the Louisville area to share knowledge & information about cars in a place where there is no hidden motive or agenda, and the users *do* have a say about how the board operates. That is why this section is here. Our users can also feel confident in knowing that there will be no "glitches", and if their behavior merits some type of restriction to their access to this board, they will know fully well what has happened and why because they will receive a pm or email explaining the actions, and not be left in the dark.

I would very much like to see you as the Mazda moderator on here, because I know that you are very knowledgable and are willing to help people learn. No one is asking you to pick 502 over any other board, we just felt that you were an ideal candidate for moderating that forum, nothing more, nothing less.

[JDuncan]

With regards to the Mazda section, I will try to decide and let Kyle know something today.

It sounds like the boards have intentions that are too similar. While it really wouldn't matter if the boards weren't competitive, as you suggest, that just can not be the case when people representing 502 are contacting LS members on aim, by email, and now at LS meets trying to convince them that LS sucks, and they should be at 502. There are several people here that have a grudge against LS for reasons both real and perceived. There is nothing that can be done about the past. It would be nice to actually believe I know someone and not have that illusion shatterd by their behavior on chat boards.

I notice that happening not only here or LS, but already at OVStreets. They didn't get very far before one of the mods from over here popped in and was very specific that it WAS choosing sides between those two boards. I don't understand why they would be treated that way for doing the EXACT same thing that 502 did when it grew from LS.

I'm out, I have my answer.
James

[Gnaw]

Originally posted by JDuncan
I'm out, I have my answer.


I think this topic has been sufficiently covered now. James and Billy both got their answers. If anyone has any further concerns, please PM me, as I will be glad to discuss it with you.