dot or 140 (from uscc announcement)

[spoolin7]

hmmm, i shall be there damnit. and what's with the 140 treadwear?? u did it cuz you know i just bought those 555r's didn't you, you little bastard?? lol i'll borrow some tires for the event damnit

[boileralum]

What's with the treadwear rating? Count me out if I can't run on my Kuhmos. It's one thing to waste $20-30 of tires in a weekend, quite anothe to waste $200+...

[adam]

I think you should be able to use tires with treadwear less than 140...

I do agree on the R compound thing though.

[boileralum]

Besides, I get *way* too much wheelhop on the 18s. I say that any DOT legal tires should be allowed. Unless you guys are just too skeered to have the green blur run ;)

[adam]

Originally posted by boileralum
Besides, I get *way* too much wheelhop on the 18s. I say that any DOT legal tires should be allowed. Unless you guys are just too skeered to have the green blur run ;)


Yeah...but R compound tires will provide a big advantage over regular street tires and this should be all about fun...Not about dropping money into tires to win.

[boileralum]

Yeah, but my street tires cost twice as much as my autocross tires... I'm not about to ruin them by autocrossing on them

[spoolin7]

this is a street car challenge right? anything DOT should be allowed. if it's good enuf to run on the street, it should be allowed. it's all about setup. tires are part of a good setup, so why not let those with the right setups compete as they were intended to?? just my 2 cents. i will run either way, but it'd be more exciting to see what some of the real cars on the board could do

[mr20turbo]

/me packs up the slicks if you wanna play that way :p

[96Z28]

Originally posted by mr20turbo
/me packs up the slicks if you wanna play that way :p

Yes that would be the only way I would play. I got my ET Streets and my autoX tires for a reason.

[Gnaw]

My street tires are about $250 each, I won't be auto-xing on them. I agree that all DOT tires should be allowed.

[Turbo6inKY]

The reasoning behind the rule is the big word "Street" in the title of the competition. While Kumho and Hoosier both make competition tires that are DOT approved, both manufacturers strongly encourage those tires not be used on the street. While they are DOT tires, they are not "street" tires. You could not drive to Beech Bend and back on them and expect them to survive.

We used the SCCA's definition of a "street tire", used in the rules for the STS and STX "street tire" classes, which is 140+ treadwear, DOT approved.

[adam]

Originally posted by Turbo6inKY
The reasoning behind the rule is the big word "Street" in the title of the competition. While Kumho and Hoosier both make competition tires that are DOT approved, both manufacturers strongly encourage those tires not be used on the street. While they are DOT tires, they are not "street" tires. You could not drive to Beech Bend and back on them and expect them to survive.

We used the SCCA's definition of a "street tire", used in the rules for the STS and STX "street tire" classes, which is 140+ treadwear, DOT approved.


Ah...well if thats the case, then thats the case.

I think if its a "Street car challenge", it should be with street tires...

[boileralum]

I think my Victoracers would survive. I drove them back and forth to my sister's house in Nicholasville last fall during the Cen-Div championship and they still have a ton of tread left on them. But, I won't run either auto-x or at the dragstrip on my Toyos, so I guess I'm out.

[BigSmith23]

booty rules.... DOT= street tire

[boileralum]

May as well be democratic about it - POLL! (http://www.louisvilleforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1713)

[96Z28]

I have to work that weekend so it doesn't really matter to me because I will be at the AutoX(hopefully) depending on how tired I am from working Sat night and then be up all day autoxing then go back to work Sun night. Its fun let me tell you. So being up 36hrs straight is hard...don't think I could handle 60 hrs.

[Nacho]

I say140+ reasons posted in the poll thread. There's a reason the rules were set up this way.

[Teh Ric]

Rich, quit yer bishin. Considering everyone else will be on street tires too, i'd say your car stands a good chance. And its not like 5 runs at autox is going to destroy them. Hell you might as well drive on them hard while its driveable right? Not like your putting 1000s of miles on them. :p Just playin man.

I plan to be in it and i will prolly be running on brand new Bridgestone S-03s. Thats what you buy high performance tires for......to drive hard on.

EDIT: I totally agree with and approve the idea of 140tw and higher. Everyone wants to use just DOT tires but if you had them for any other events.....would you drive on them to get there? No. Therefore they aren't really "street" tires are they? Everyone will still have the same handicap, and if you are big balling (on a budget aka my tires are too expensive, i paid big money for their performance but dont want to actually use them) then GTFO. :p Sorry, but i find that funny.

[boileralum]

Well, it's like this. I'm one of the few who would be running on 35 series tires, which would be very easy to roll over and screw up the rims on my wheels. And considering that one replacement wheel and tire would cost more than a set of Victoracers and a used set of stock wheels, I do not wish to risk it. Go check the rules for the SCC USCC. They allow Victoracers to be used. If you guys really think that me using cheaper (though stickier) wheels and tires for this gives my 3700# car (including driver) that much of an advantage, you are out of your minds.

[Nacho]

Originally posted by boileralum
Go check the rules for the SCC USCC. They allow Victoracers to be used.

SCC USCC also has portions for "grandma test", MPG, show competition, install quality and others. We don't. This isn't SCC USCC. This is LF USCC.

[boileralum]

My suggestion is merely this - that the competitor must run both events on the same set of tires, which must be DOT approved. Requiring the competitor to drive to BG on the tires could be dangerous, but I do agree that the car itself must be driven there. I think it is foolish to make up the rules for the "Ultimate Street Car Challenge" using SCCA rules from a class that is not typical of all the cars that would likely be entering the competition. Maybe I'm being a bit of a whiner over this, but the cost of potentially ruining a whole set of tires ($700 including mounting & balancing) or damaging $3000 wheels (that's what it would cost to replace my wheels & have the centers on the ones polished like they are now) is far greater than the value of the trophy that the winner will receive, at least IMO. I would have no problems with driving to Ohio Valley on my Victoracers if the drag competition were there, but like the founders of this event, I too agree that a 1/4 mile drag race would be more fun and truer to the spirit of the event, thus the dilemna of putting 300 or so miles on the Victoracers.