Poll: Street Tires = DOT approved or treadwear > 140?

[boileralum]

Post your vote for the LFUSCC. I say DOT = street tires.

[Turbo6inKY]

I say daily driver tires will survive 1 trip to the track and an autocross.

140+ rulez!

[mr20turbo]

anyone that is hardcore enough to drive down to beachbend on their dot tires that ate <140 is hardcore enough to use them i guess

[boileralum]

I didn't say I would drive down on them... just that I *could* - but if that becomes a rule then count me out for that reason as well. I'd drive to the Valley*, but not Bowling Green.

EDIT - *on the Victoracers

[Nacho]

How about: You MUST drive to and from the events on the DOT rated tires you run, and the same tires must be used both days. Hows that? if you wanna eat a whole set of victoracers on the trip to BG and back, go ahead. It's your $.

Allowing any DOT tire allows people that have a set of drag race radials to use that and gain an advantage. And some of the same people have a set of auto-X tires as well. Kinda makes it unfair to those without enough $ to afford 3 sets of tires (one to drive on, one to drag on and one to auto-X on), doesn't it?

If EVERYONE has the same 'disadvantage' it becomes more about the car and it's setup in it's everyday state than it does on who can cough up enough $ to get a set of wheels and tires for any reason.

[Preludebabygrl]

I say DOT approived street tires, and I agree with Nacho that you must drive there on them and leave on them...thats what street tires are for, the street, right??

[96Z28]

Well I could drive down to BB on my street tires...stop at a gas station and change to my slicks/16inch wheels. So as far as driving into and out of BB or the Autox with them wouldn't be very hard. Just stick with the 140> treadwear because like Boiler I wouldn't running autox or the drag stip without some stickier tires then street tires.

I am not going anyway regardless that way everyone stands a chance.:D

[Teh Ric]

Bitch bitch piss and moan. I agree on one set of STREET tires that must be driven on and used it both events. Wanna use victoracers for autox...gotta drag on em too. Wanna use slicks for the drag? gotta autox on em. That rule alone i think will make everyone run their all around street tires.

[96Z28]

Originally posted by nissanzxman
Bitch bitch piss and moan. I agree on one set of STREET tires that must be driven on and used it both events. Wanna use victoracers for autox...gotta drag on em too. Wanna use slicks for the drag? gotta autox on em. That rule alone i think will make everyone run their all around street tires.

Bleh you are just mad your car isn't fast or powerful enough to use stickies.:D Friggan NA 300Z's.;)

[Gnaw]

After thinking this over, I am gonna say that >140 will make this competition the most fair. This is a STREET car challenge, so only STREET tires should be allowed. If we are running slicks, and race tires, this really is not a STREET car competition. A good driver will take off up to 3 seconds at auto-cross when they change to race tires, that is a huge amount of time in this competition. I think we need to make this as fair as possible, or else we are comparing apples and oranges.

[Teh Ric]

Perhaps you failed to notice the NA is for sale. I will be running in the USCC with my new project. :D

[Turbo6inKY]

I agree with Wang.

But I also want to submit that allowing DOT tires and instead requiring the competitors to drive to the events on them would be dangerous. Hoosier Autocrossers, for instance, are DOT approved, but use fiberglass belts and a very soft rubber compound. Driving an extended distance on them is dangerous. They have a high probability of failure. One big rock or pothole and you have a blowout. Two hours at 70mph would turn the compound to jelly and it could separate.

If there is an insistence on allowing DOT rubber, I could not in good conscience require people to drive to the events on them. It isn't safe.

[spoolin7]

DOT damnit. obviously if they weren't up to the requirements for street use, the department of transportation would NOT approve them. I have the furthest drive to BB out of anyone and I will be driving on drag radials and competing in both competitions with them. and about the $$$, it's an ultimate street car challenge. it's all about who's got the better setup, and that usually takes money. this isn't spec racing, this is balls to the wall, best car takes all competition. if someone wants to waste or ruin expensive tires, let them. it's still gonna depend on the driver. i'm still a newbie at the strip and have never autocrossed. those that are complaining about the >140 treadwear should either work on their setup and practice, or shut up! i don't think the competitors in the sport compact USCC were bitchin at each other because of tires. it's every man for himself. if the car meets DOT requirements, it's a street car, let it run at the driver's risk

i'm done with my bitching

[Nacho]

Originally posted by spoolin7
DOT damnit. obviously if they weren't up to the requirements for street use, the department of transportation would NOT approve them.

Originally posted by Turbo6inKY
Hoosier Autocrossers, for instance, are DOT approved, but use fiberglass belts and a very soft rubber compound. Driving an extended distance on them is dangerous. They have a high probability of failure. One big rock or pothole and you have a blowout. Two hours at 70mph would turn the compound to jelly and it could separate.

[spoolin7]

Originally posted by spoolin7
if the car meets DOT requirements, it's a street car, let it run at the driver's risk

is it that hard to understand?? if someone's willing to risk it, then so be it. i'm running my 100 treadwear tires daily on the street, so why the hell should i not be allowed to run them in a STREET car challenge?

[Turbo6inKY]

Originally posted by spoolin7
is it that hard to understand?? if someone's willing to risk it, then so be it. i'm running my 100 treadwear tires daily on the street, so why the hell should i not be allowed to run them in a STREET car challenge?

Is it that hard to follow reasonable guidelines? ANYTHING that gets posted on this board is argued against, about, and around. Nobody can agree with anything, nobody will suck it up and live with it, nobody will compromise. Everybody wants everything tailored specifically to THEM.

Some of you people baffle me.

I will not participate in this event at all now. Have fun with it.

[Gnaw]

The exact rules for the event will be determined over the course of the next week or so, as there is obviously alot of discussion going on. We are trying to make this as fair as possible, so every car who enters will have a fair chance. Not everyone has slicks, so suddenly the people who do get a 1 sec advantage at the strip. Also, not everyone has race tires for auto-x , so those people who do have a 2 second advantage. It is in the best interest of the competition to have everyone on normal street tires... not race tires. Otherwise, why would people waste their time if they are racing against cars with an instant 3 second advantage?

Once the rules are laid out, there will be no arguing or debate. Either you follow the rules, or you do not participate. Everyone will not be happy with the rules, but that would be impossible anyways.

[boileralum]

If we want to have a contest where driver skill is the only thing that matters, we can always go to kart kountry. If we truly want to determine an "Ultimate" Street Car, then it should be run what you brung - otherwise, why draw the line at tires? Why not limit to stock suspension, intakes, exhausts...... These all cost money too.

Again, I think the rules on tires should be - 1 set of tires that must be used at both events (same 4 wheels on the same hubs). That and that the tires not have to be driven on to BG (I have no problem driving on them to Papa John's, as I would be doing that anyway).

[Nacho]

Originally posted by Wang
The exact rules for the event will be determined over the course of the next week or so...

No, these ARE the rules. I don't recall them being posted and asking for a debate. The rules wer posted and if you don't like them, then don't compete. It's that easy.

[KyCobra97]

The event has been cancelled.